oxxxxy11 March 21, 2025, 11:51 p.m.

When robots take all jobs, will UBI only exist for rich countries? Or are we creating a global underclass?

Not trying to doom-post, but watching the acceleration of AI tools replacing skilled jobs has me seriously wondering about our economic future. My coding friend just had his "irreplaceable" job automated by GitHub Copilot, and he's in a wealthy country with safety nets.

But what happens when this hits globally? Seems like we're heading toward two potential futures:

Future A: Developed nations implement UBI as AI takes jobs, their citizens enjoy leisure time while machines generate wealth Future B: Only rich countries afford UBI, while developing nations become economic dead zones with massive unemployment

Western discussions always revolve around "when we get UBI" as if it's inevitable... but who's "we"? Seems wildly naive to think countries struggling with basic infrastructure will somehow leap to post-work utopias.

Are we accelerating toward massive global inequality? Will we see unprecedented migration crises as people flee jobless regions? Or am I missing something more hopeful?

The Rocker March 22, 2025, 12:08 p.m.

Silicon Valley brainwashing y'all with UBI fantasies while hoarding the actual wealth. They don't want economic justice, they want pacified consumers. No corporation voluntarily surrenders profit margin – they'll replace us, not support us. Wake up

Hitroy March 22, 2025, 9:34 p.m.

$REALITY_CHECK: national debts already unsustainable BEFORE considering UBI. US passing $35T debt, EU nations averaging 90%+ debt-to-GDP. Money printer can't solve everything. System mathematically guaranteed to collapse within 25yrs, AI or not

rizenburg March 23, 2025, 3:55 p.m.

Lived through 3 "economic revolutions" in my country already. Each time western experts arrived explaining how new systems would save us. Each time local networks of family/community actually kept people alive when promised prosperity never arrived. Tired of hearing silicon valley solutions to problems they created

Logan2015 March 24, 2025, 8:03 p.m.

Y'all forgetting the resource wars that'll happen long before UBI becomes mainstream. Water scarcity alone projected to displace 700M people by 2040. AI acceleration meaningless when basic human needs unmet

96200781 March 24, 2025, 11:37 p.m.

Resource scarcity itself manufactured myth. Earth produces enough for 10B+. Distribution systems deliberately broken to maintain artificial scarcity. Seen this firsthand when perfectly good food destroyed rather than given away

terer001 March 25, 2025, 6:23 p.m.

Watching americans discuss UBI from beijing is fascinating. Your entire premise assumes individualist economic model must continue. What if automation actually enables return to communal living systems that dominated human history before industrial capitalism? Different cultures will respond with entirely different solutions

KDV March 26, 2025, 9:08 p.m.

My community (Hopi Nation) existed for 2000+ years without wage labor system that barely lasted 200 years. perhaps what looks like "unemployment crisis" actually liberation opportunity from colonial economic model forced upon majority world

foreverjdi March 27, 2025, 10:44 p.m.

Nobody talking about how labor force participation rates create completely different UBI implementation challenges across countries? Places where 70%+ population works face fundamentally different transition than societies where only 50-55% formally employed. Economics isn't one-size-fits-all despite what IMF pretends

colspan_v March 29, 2025, 7:01 p.m.

Spent yesterday talking to my grandmother (91) about this. She laughed and said "people survived without jobs before jobs existed." Reminded me her village operated entirely without money until 1950s. Maybe apocalypse for capitalism isn't apocalypse for humanity?

3333 March 31, 2025, 12:40 p.m.

This whole discussion assumes AI benefits continue flowing primarily to western corporations. What happens when open-source models democratize AI capabilities? Distributed value creation completely alters power dynamics. anyone consider that possibility?